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4-Sep-80 17:58:06-PDT,0000517;000000000001
Date: 4 Sep 1980 1758-PDT
From: CSD.LENAT
Subject: WHERE ARE YOU?
To: CSD.GREINER
This is my last full week in Sept, and I had hoped we could
get a lot done. I will be around very briefly next
Wed and Thu, and then again around Sept 21 or 22.
I think that we could still profit from pushing on the
oil spill problem, even though it is not super-exciting;
it at least forces us to pay SOME attention to control.
The next step is to get some rules automatically produced by EURISKO!
Doug
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12-Sep-80 10:54:40-PDT,568;000000000001
Mail-from: ARPANET site SU-AI rcvd at 12-Sep-80 1054-PDT
Date: 12 Sep 1980 1052-PDT
From: Doug Lenat <DBL at SU-AI>
Subject: stuff to send to Barstow
To: CSD.GREINER at SU-SCORE
Please send a 1-3 page summary of RLL along with the
examples of how RLL would represent each of the given statements.
You may point at the Architecture chapter, and a copy is in
your mailbox. You can use the abstract, intro, and conclusions
from the AAAI paper, for instance, and smooth them into a page or two.
Thanks much. See you in one week.
Regards,
Doug
21-Sep-80 16:39:25-PDT,00000000284;000000000001
Date: 21 Sep 1980 1639-PDT
From: CSD.LENAT
Subject: RLL STATUS
To: CSD.GREINER
Judging by the TRACE files, it seems to be in an intermediate
state. Can it be preened into running tomorrow (Monday)? See
you then.
We can also talk about Switzerland trip.
Doug
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26-Sep-80 15:35:51-PDT,3925;000000000001
Mail-from: ARPANET site SU-AI rcvd at 26-Sep-80 1535-PDT
Date: 26 Sep 1980 1535-PDT
From: Russell Greiner <RDG at SU-AI>
Subject: Demo
To: csd.greiner at SU-SCORE
∂25-Sep-80 2213 CSD.GREINER at SU-SCORE Demo
Date: 25 Sep 1980 2210-PDT
From: CSD.GREINER at SU-SCORE
Subject: Demo
To: rdg at SU-AI
18-Aug-80 09:46:18-PDT,476;000000000001
Mail-from: ARPANET site SUMEX-AIM rcvd at 18-Aug-80 0946-PDT
Date: 18 Aug 1980 0946-PDT
From: Fagan at SUMEX-AIM
Subject: demo based sesssion at aaai
To: csd.greiner at SCORE
You are scheduled for 3 on wednesday. This will come right after
your aaai talk. Prepare a 200 word/ half page abstract
immediately. You can use the same one as your paper or any standard
RLL write-up. I'll help you to prepare the typescript for
presentation.
Larry
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18-Aug-80 11:02:28-PDT,0000000486;000000000001
Date: 18 Aug 1980 1102-PDT
From: CSD.GREINER
Subject: Re: demo based sesssion at aaai
To: Fagan at SUMEX-AIM
cc: csd.greiner
In-Reply-To: Your message of 18-Aug-80 0946-PDT
What!!! Explain what this is, please! You want an actual run?
Who'll be there? Why didn't someone tell me of this earlier!?
I'll put a copy of my AAAI Paper's abstract in your mailbox now.
If its inappropriate, you'll have to get Doug, or someone else, to
rewrite it -- I'm swamped!
Russ
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19-Aug-80 13:53:20-PDT,2499;000000000001
Mail-from: ARPANET site SUMEX-AIM rcvd at 19-Aug-80 1353-PDT
Date: 19 Aug 1980 1347-PDT
From: Fagan at SUMEX-AIM
Subject: ROOM CHANGE
To: DEMOERS:
We will be in room M-104 of the medical school. Please be there
15 minutes before your scheduled time. Slides should last no longer
than 15 minutes, with the typescript lasting 30 minutes.
See you tomorrow,
Larry
Final schedule:
STANFORD UNIVERSITY
HEURISTIC PROGRAMMING PROJECT
PROGRAM DEMONSTRATIONS
Medical Center, Rm. M-104
Wednesday, August 20
The Heuristic Programming Project welcomes you to Stanford!
We're pleased that Stanford is the site of the first AAAI
National Conference, and we would like to take the opportunity of your
visit to show you some of the AI research that we do.
We'd like to invite you to an "open house" in the form of
demonstrations of our programs in knowledge-based systems research and
expert-systems construction.
We've put together in-depth transcripts of our programs in the
areas of chemistry, medicine, molecular genetics, rule-based tutoring,
and knowledge representation. We'd like to show and discuss these
programs with you in a series of one-hour presentations in Room M-104 of
the Medical Center. Please see the reverse side of this flyer for a map
to the medical center. You can easily take the "Margarite" free shuttle
bus to the medical center and back.
For more information, contact:
Ms. Marion Hazen, 497-4878 or
Dr. Larry Fagan, 497-4532.
Time Presenter Title
==== ========= =====
9:00 Larry Fagan VM: Representing Time-Dependent
Relations in a Medical Setting
10:00 Penny Nii, Nelleke Aiello Building Knowledge-Based Programs
in AGE (Attempt to GEneralize)
11:00 Peter Friedland MOLGEN: Applications of Artificial
Intelligence to Molecular Biology
1:00 Bill van Melle, Carli Scott EMYCIN: A Knowledge-Based System to
Aid in Constructing Knowledge-
Based Consultation Programs
2:00 Bill Clancey GUIDON: Exploration of Tutoring and
Problem Solving Strategies
3:00 Russ Greiner, Doug Lenat RLL: Development of a Representation
Language Language
4:00 Jim Nourse DENDRAL: Recent Advances in Computer-
Assisted Structure Elucidation
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24-Sep-80 23:08:12-PDT,00000429;000000000001
Date: 24 Sep 1980 2308-PDT
From: CSD.GREINER
Subject: Our RLL Report
To: csd.lenat
cc: csd.greiner
Just what should I do about that Moby file? I snail-mailed a copy to Dave
Barstow; shall I mail it to everyone on the distribution list? A one page version
is on RPT2[RDG,DBL] (the version with page marks is in RPT[RDG,DBL]) -- do with
it what you will... (It's about 1100 lines long; which is 11.6K).
Russ
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7-Oct-80 13:36:13-PDT,00000000979;000000000001
Date: 7 Oct 1980 1336-PDT
From: CSD.LENAT
Subject: [Rick at Rand-Unix: rosie]
To: csd.greiner
Mail-from: ARPANET site SUMEX-AIM rcvd at 7-Oct-80 1241-PDT
Mail from RAND-UNIX rcvd at 7-Oct-80 0845-PDT
From: Rick at Rand-Unix
Date: 7 Oct 1980 at 0845-PDT
To: lenat at Score, lenat at Aim
Subject: rosie
doug:
i invited you to the rosie tutorial thursday & friday.
i thought you'd understand the value to you. but since i haven't
heard, i'll take a minute to tell you why you might want to come.
rosie has the best english language for programming around. it
also has the capability of mapping english onto relational structures.
wouldn't you like to be able to map english onto rll? doesn't that
ability stand between you and some other ideas of success? that's
why i thought rosie & rll would be marriageable.
anyhow: your attendance is not crucial. just a note to keep you
informed.
- rick
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23-Sep-80 15:43:29-PDT,000000270;000000000001
Date: 23 Sep 1980 1543-PDT
From: CSD.LENAT
Subject: RLL SUMMARY
To: CSD.GREINER
cc: STEFIK at PARC-MAXC
RUSS,
MARK AND DANNY WOULD LIKE A COPY OF THE DOCUMENT YOU'RE
PREPARING; ALSO A RLL.SUMMARY FILE. CAN YOU PLEASE SUPPLY THEM?
THANKS.
DOUG
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21-Sep-80 17:27:10-PDT,00001288;000000000001
Date: 21 Sep 1980 1727-PDT
From: CSD.GREINER
Subject: Re: RLL STATUS
To: CSD.LENAT
cc: CSD.GREINER
In-Reply-To: Your message of 21-Sep-80 1639-PDT
Welcome back. Merle told me of your effect on Piaget...
Actually, RLL is ready now. The problem is it's distributed all over
the place - a ramification of space problems...
Yes, I did receive a copy of your message requesting more space; and NO,
CSD.RLL's allocation has not been upped.
At any event, some of it is on your directory, other parts on CSD.RLL, and the
rest is in CSD.IA.
I sent off a copy of RLL's way of handling facts to Dave last Thursday
-- you'll find a copy in your mailbox.
Dave, Mike and I have been working on MRS (nee DBL,) trying to get a
working mini-implementation by Wednesday in time for Mike & Ted's class;
and for Mark & Harold's perusal. We seem to be converging.
I've also spent a good amount of time discussing and updating the memo.
While a lot of it is acceptale to all of my critics,
there still remains much which has to be modified, it appears.
Shall I be content sending it out with such gross errors, or is an
n+1st iteration (for an ever increasing n) the better course?
I'll provide a summary of additional changes to RLL/EURISKO, on your
return.
Russ
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21-Sep-80 17:35:54-PDT,00000000841;000000000001
Date: 21 Sep 1980 1735-PDT
From: CSD.LENAT
Subject: Re: RLL STATUS
To: CSD.GREINER
In-Reply-To: Your message of 21-Sep-80 1727-PDT
It is almost certain that n+1st iteration is not worthwhile.
The work on MRS is probably representation for its own sake,
which is something we should be phasing out now. If Dave
wants to work on it, let him; he can wonder why no one makes
a fuss over his thesis. You and I should begin working almost
full time on heuristics. I have developed a theory of
heuristics (on the plane), and it was the hit of the conference.
On the plane home I completely revised it (well, not really
but it sounded good -- actually extended it). There are some
ramifications for RLL, but mostly we should just test it out.
("But why is work on HEURISTICS for its own sake worthwhile?"
)
Doug
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23-Sep-80 22:41:23-PDT,618;000000000001
Mail-from: ARPANET site SU-AI rcvd at 23-Sep-80 2241-PDT
Date: 23 Sep 1980 2240-PDT
From: Russell Greiner <RDG at SU-AI>
Subject: Status
To: csd.lenat at SU-SCORE
CC: csd.greiner at SU-SCORE
Doug:
As before, <CSD.IA>TEMP.EXE, containing the current version of the
kb RLL, is at your disposal.
I made a summary file of RLL for Mark, as you requested. It's huge - containing
something like 350 units. I'll leave you a printed copy of it, for what
it's worth, to forward to anyone interested. The file itself is
<CSD.GREINER>RLL.SUMMARY.
Still MEMOing - God that takes a long time!
Russ
2-Oct-80 18:57:02-PDT,000000270;000000000001
Date: 2 Oct 1980 1857-PDT
From: CSD.GREINER
Subject: Editor, etc
To: csd.smith, csd.greiner
Do you have a ready copy of a manual describing factual (as opposed to slot-ual)
CORLL? Besides the Editor, is there anything else you'd like me to do?
Russ
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15-Jan-81 20:43:08-PST,00000000358;000000000001
Date: 15 Jan 1981 2043-PST
From: CSD.GREINER
Subject: HOBBIT
To: csd.lenat
cc: CSD.GREINER
Well, there is a HOBBIT.;1 on my archieve directory, which I just asked
to be retrieved. I rather doubt this is the *.KB file you wanted, but
we'll see. I tried to INTERROGATE <LENAT>HOBBIT, without success. You might
try that.
I tried.
Russ
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16-Jan-81 14:33:31-PST,461;000000000001
Mail-from: ARPANET site SU-AI rcvd at 16-Jan-81 1433-PST
Date: 16 Jan 1981 1133-PST
From: Russell Greiner <RDG at SU-AI>
Subject: Nope, that wasn't it...
To: csd.lenat at SU-SCORE
CC: csd.greiner at SU-SCORE
As expected, that archieved file contained the HOBBIT Lisp code, not the units.
Unless HOBBIT.KB is on your directory, I'm afraid (well, maybe slightly elated)
it's gone for good. How was it deleted?
I did try to find it.
Russ
23-Feb-81 19:38:43-PST,0000499;000000000001
Date: 23 Feb 1981 1938-PST
From: CSD.GENESERETH
Subject: mrs manual
To: csd.Greiner
I finished the draft of OUR manual and left you a copy on your door.
Substntive comments are welcome. Stylistic comments are not, unless
there's a real blunder. At this point I can use your help. We have
listed several appendices describing a few plug-in modules. These
appendices need to be finsihed up pronto. It's not hard work, but I'm
just all done in. Do you have a few hours?
mrg
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25-Feb-81 19:02:45-PST,000000555;000000000001
Date: 25 Feb 1981 1902-PST
From: CSD.GENESERETH
Subject: News
To: MRS.Dis: ;
The manual describing the temporarily frozen version of MRS is available
in the document room now. Russ is working on appendices describing the
plugin modules on logic, operators, and the long-sought demons, and they
should be available soon.
There is also a new release of the Maclisp version on <CSD.DART> that
has slightly improved user interface. It is supposed to be in synch
with the manual; so any discrepancies should be reported as bugs.
mrg
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3-Mar-81 08:51:44-PST,00000001774;000000000001
Date: 3 Mar 1981 0851-PST
From: CSD.KUHN
Subject: [CSD.KUHN: Visitor from Sweden]
To: csd.lenat, csd.greinER, csd.smiTH
Date: 3 Mar 1981 0850-PST
From: CSD.KUHN
Subject: Visitor from Sweden
To: CSD.GENESERETH
cc: CSD.KUHN
There is a gentleman from Sweden in town who would like to meet
with some members of the HPP staff. I guess he made his original
contact with Bruce Yesterday, and Bruce has referred him to me.
Apparently he heard Ed Talk in Londen last year, and he felt it
would be usefull to talk with us. Also, apparently he wrote Ed
about three weeks ago and invited himself to come. But alas
the letter did not arrive or something. The main purpose of
his visit is to talk with HPP people, so it looks like
we should try to give him some time.
Name, Mr. Bachtin, he is associated with Stockholm University,
and some private enterprises. He is doing graduate work in
physchology. He has 15-17 years experience in
the ComputerScience Field. The private enterprise is Entel (not
sure of the spelling).
He will be here through early Friday morning, and is staying
at the Holiday Inn, Palo Alto.
Bruce has had a conversation with him and apparently he does not
know too much. We will give him a collection of readings for
today, then Bruce will spend some time with him late today or
early tommorrow. We would appreciate it if each of you on
this address list could spend a little time with him, say
an hour. Please let me or Lynn Gotelli know when would be
most convenient for you. If you are available today, rather
thank Wednesday or Thursday, that would be ok, it would
break up his day of reading.
Thanks in advance for your cooperation.
Ingeborg
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8-Apr-81 14:00:52-PST,768;000000000001
Mail-from: ARPANET site RAND-AI rcvd at 8-Apr-81 1400-PST
Date: 8 Apr 1981 1358-PST
From: GREINER at RAND-AI
Subject: Phone Call
To: csd.lenat at SU-SCORE
cc: csd.greiner at SU-SCORE
A few minutes ago I received a phone call from (?Jim?) Slagle,
from the Research group associated with some armed service. He had just
finished reading about your (now-famous) E&E system, and was wondering what
sorts of games you were playing. He was interested in planing for some
war-manuevers; and was not that intrigued to find this version was all a
fantasy. Nor was he enthralled with the notion of rll-ish things, despite
my attempts to indoctronate him. Sigh.
(Yes, to answer your question, I did remember Slagle as a SAINT of
a man.)
Russ
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8-Apr-81 16:42:02-PST,931;000000000001
Mail from SU-SCORE rcvd at 8-Apr-81 1549-PST
Date: 8 Apr 1981 1546-PST
From: CSD.LENAT at SU-SCORE
Subject: Re: Phone Call
To: GREINER at RAND-AI
In-Reply-To: Your message of 8-Apr-81 1358-PST
What do you mean? Enough of HOBBIT.KB existed for me to create
and populate dungeons, and wage simple combat and other adventures.
Did you tell him that we never really did it or similar?
The real inapplicability of what I did in HOBBIT is that there
I focused on individuals, and Slagle seems to be focusing on
units (no pun) of men and machines, rather than individuals.
Of course, with no HJOBBIT.KB still around, we would have little
to show him anyway.
What exactly did he ask for, and what exactly did you tell him?
I hope the load is light at RAND; I am hacking on my Dolphin.
I will check to see if your papers have been processed yet,
and if they know about you at the front desk yet.
Regards,
Doug
8-Apr-81 16:41:40-PST,820;000000000001
Mail-from: ARPANET site RAND-AI rcvd at 8-Apr-81 1641-PST
Date: 8 Apr 1981 1639-PST
From: GREINER at RAND-AI
Subject: Re: Phone Call
To: CSD.LENAT at SU-SCORE
cc: CSD.GREINER at SU-SCORE
In-Reply-To: Your message of 8-Apr-81 1546-PST
Believe it or not, I refrained from the temptation to slight HOBBIT,
and encouraged him to contact you. When I mentioned that I'd be happy
to send him additional junk about RLL, he hastily announced his carpool
was waiting for him, and ...
Anyway, as he called on your extension (x7-0304) he'll probably
call back. Is he ARPA-net locatable?
As to Rand-AI - yes, the load is light (although exceeding 1 these days).
The I/O waits are becoming irritating -- I assume all the more so because
its thinking time is so disproportionally rapid.
Caio,
Russ
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14-Apr-81 12:03:05-PST,00000000181;000000000001
Date: 14 Apr 1981 1203-PST
From: CSD.LENAT
Subject: ES Workshop section
To: CSD.GREINER
What is Dave talking about? Didn't we send in the mterial months ago?
Doug
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14-Apr-81 12:16:37-PST,00000000536;000000000001
Date: 14 Apr 1981 1216-PST
From: CSD.GREINER
Subject: Re: ES Workshop section
To: CSD.LENAT
cc: CSD.GREINER
In-Reply-To: Your message of 14-Apr-81 1203-PST
That was my question for you. According to my records, I snail mailed
it back on Sept 25! I do have another copy of that stuff, in
REPORT[rdg,dbl], on pages 10 and 11. (Also in FACTS[rdg,dbl].)
Feel free to ship off another copy -- possibly after another editing
pass.
How good is Dave's SUMEX connection, by the way? Should we use
that medium?
Russ
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14-Apr-81 16:03:21-PST,00000289;000000000001
Date: 14 Apr 1981 1603-PST
From: CSD.LENAT
Subject: Re: ES Workshop section
To: CSD.GREINER
In-Reply-To: Your message of 14-Apr-81 1216-PST
OK, will you send him a copy now, both at sumex and as DRB@SAIL.
I will look it over if I can in the next few days.
Thanks.
Doug
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14-Apr-81 16:04:49-PST,00000342;000000000001
Date: 14 Apr 1981 1604-PST
From: CSD.LENAT
Subject: ESW material
To: DRB at SU-AI, BARSTOW at SUMEX-AIM
cc: CSD.GREINER
We mailed it to you on Sept. 25. Are you sure you didn't get it?
We are retransmitting it, to both SAIL and SUMEX.
I was planning to stop by SDRC on May 6 -- will you be there then?
Regards,
Doug
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2-May-81 17:57:33-PDT,0000000927;000000000001
Date: 2 May 1981 1757-PDT
From: CSD.GREINER
Subject: RLL's subsection in B E S book
To: csd.lenat
cc: CSD.GREINER
Doug -
The file <CSD.GREINER>EXPERT will hold my stab at what we should
be saying the "Building Expert Systems" book, on RLL. I'll show Dave Barstow
this, clearly labeled as a DRAFT, when I see him later this week.
Mail me any comments you have, ASAP.
Apparently I'll swap my home terminal for the Nick-ed one earmarked
for a direct line (according to Ingeborg). I'm currently using MRG's,
which is less than optimal (ie while it doesn't hang me up, it does still
invert a host of letters are arbitrary times); until that terminal comes
back from the repair shop; any month now...
Larry tells me he can't fit RLL on his allocation. So it looks
like I'll remain its only user a bit longer. (He said he'd speak to you
about it when you see him next week...)
Caio,
Russ
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12-May-81 15:59:13-PDT,520;000000000001
Mail-from: ARPANET site USC-ISIB rcvd at 12-May-81 1559-PDT
Date: 12 May 1981 1547-PDT
From: Lee Erman <Erman at USC-ISIB>
Subject: request for RLL info
To: CSD.Lenat at SU-SCORE
cc: CSD.Greiner at SU-SCORE, PLondon at USC-ISIB
Phil and I are presenting an informal ISI seminar about the expert systems
workshop in two weeks and would very much appreciate if you could send us
a copy of the your "final" documentation on RLL, plus anything else of
recent vintage that's relevant.
thanks,
Lee
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12-May-81 16:41:41-PDT,0000000604;000000000001
Date: 12 May 1981 1641-PDT
From: CSD.GREINER
Subject: Re: request for RLL info
To: Erman at USC-ISIB, PLondon at USC-ISIB
cc: csd.greiner, CSD.Lenat
In-Reply-To: Your message of 12-May-81 1547-PDT
That "final" document is both old and ephemeral -- however it is available.
You should receive it soon.
(Note the concise article which appeared in AAAI-1 is still the most
readable.)
I'm also sending a copy of the MRS manual. This recent work does correctly
many of the things we RLLers, in our naivity, slopped over.
Let me know if there is anything else I can supply.
Russ
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9-Jun-81 16:38:17-PDT,484;000000000001
Mail-from: ARPANET site SUMEX-AIM rcvd at 9-Jun-81 1638-PDT
Date: 9 Jun 1981 1635-PDT
From: Barstow at SUMEX-AIM
Subject: RLL section for tools chapter
To: csd.lenat at SU-SCORE, csd.greiner at SU-SCORE
cc: barstow at SUMEX-AIM
Could you please send your section directly to Don Waterman or Rick Hayes-Roth,
since I sent the rest of the chapter off to him today. Thanks,
Dave
p.s. unless you do it soon, it will probably not be included in the chapter.
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10-Jun-81 11:48:09-PDT,000000368;000000000001
Date: 10 Jun 1981 1148-PDT
From: CSD.GREINER
Subject: RLL section
To: csd.lenat
cc: csd.greiner
Well, as you may have guessed, I've not had a chance to finish writing up that
section. The stil-unfleshed carcus is EXPERT[1,rdg]. Shall I mail it to you
to complete (or to read thru before deciding to dump it and start over from
scratch...)?
Russ
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6-Jul-81 16:31:37-PDT,00000000473;000000000001
Date: 6 Jul 1981 1631-PDT
From: CSD.LENAT
Subject: rll draft for chapter
To: csd.greiner
A modified version is on rll.d2, on csd.lenat@score.
Please look it over if you have the fhance, and send me comments.
This is still not finalized, and the mods are mostly
Don Waterman's.
Let's get together some more re Eurisko/RLL betrothal.
I enjoyed the meeting with your friend, and hope he
decides to come here for a bit to learn more of RLLing.
Doug
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24-Jul-81 13:52:40-PDT,543;000000000001
Mail-from: ARPANET site SU-AI rcvd at 24-Jul-81 1352-PDT
Date: 24 Jul 1981 1351-PDT
From: Russell Greiner <RDG at SU-AI>
Subject: RLL Work (BES sub chapter)
To: csd.greiner at SU-SCORE
∂TO DBL (17:05 17-Jul)
RLL 4 be
Doug -
I looked quickly thru the paper, and am pretty happy with it.
I left a set of corrections (mostly at the typo level) in your mailbox.
Two asides:
1. I had to unprotect the file to read it.
2. I sent a copy of it to Avron, figuring it is now the latest piece of
RLL propoganda.
Russ
---- and EURISKO stuff ----
22-Feb-81 15:07:53-PST,00000001119;000000000001
Date: 22 Feb 1981 1507-PST
From: CSD.GREINER
Subject: The IJCAI Paper
To: csd.lenat
cc: CSD.GREINER
is slowly coming into shape, I think. The current version, with many
holes and errors still remaining, is at WAITS, on IJCAI[1,RDG].
(The version on [RDG,DBL] is a backup copy, just in case.)
Please feel free to examine it coarsely -- ignoring minor typos,
non sequitars, and the like, and concentrating on the overall
flow and semantic content of the paper.
The goal is a paper of under 6000 words. I figure I'm about 3/4s the
way done (in terms of quantities of words, not quality of sentences),
and have used about 3000-3500 words.
Schedule:
I think I can "generate" all the words by tonight (or tomorrow
afternoon at the latest). If you could look at it by then, I'll be
set to begin making the drastic changes over the next few days.
I'm assuming you do not want co-authorship -- or at least the work associated
with that title. Also, how rigid is that 1 March deadline? Would it be
rejected outright if I mailed it say, Monday, 2-March?
See you tomorrow AM?
Russ
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